06.20.08

Galway Lake Blog

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Please use this area to coment about Galway Lake in general or your experiences at the lake. This will be used as a community forum to discuss anything. I will be deleting any offensive or vulgar comments. The intent of this blog is to discuss topics and concerns in a civil and mature manner. Any comments that are inappropriate will be deleted.

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  1. Bill Weiss said,

    July 1, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Now that I have allowed postings, please feel free to contribute to this and lets make it a success. Anyone from Rubacks, Weiss’s, Maywood, Rholings, Adabar, Dedrick-Pollock, and all other areas are welcome to participate. Also, if anyone wants to talk about the Galway Lake Sailing Club, lets write! If there are any vulgar or inappropriate comments, I will be deleting them. The intent of this blog was to discuss the issues and talk about the lake, not post offensive comments about individuals. Please keep that in mind.

  2. Michael said,

    September 13, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Let’s chat about the secret lake wide survey that was done by Carpenter & Associates. It affects the majority of the properties on the lake according to the Galway Lake Campers Association. There several lawsuits pending in Saratoga Supreme Court by various property owners concerning the matter. The Galway Lake Campers Association has used this survey to attack property owners, thus causing needless litigation that the association members may or may not realize they are paying for. Anyone who sells a lake front property without knowledge of the results of this survey is putting themselves at risk of being sued in time by the purchaser. These bad acts on the part of the members of the GCLA’s board my change the lake forever. The end result may be hundreds of lawsuits causing properties to be tied up in litigation, the State of New York may intervene and take control of the lake they legally own and gas powered boats will be a common sight. We need a new association, before it is too late.

  3. Stephen said,

    October 13, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I would love to know how to find out more about this.

  4. Marjorie Young said,

    October 19, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    My daughter and I spent 5 nights at your wonderful A frame cabin on Galway Lake. It was the perfect get-away. I flew up from Savannah, GA to NY to celebrate her 21st birthday. We decided to rent a cottage and commute to classes for a few days. The drive is about an hour to RPI in Troy. It was so relaxing to wake up in the morning and be right on the lake, in a cozy log cabin. It will forever be a great memory! Bill and Lenny are GREAT hosts. Thank you so much. We will be back! Marjorie

  5. Anonymous said,

    January 4, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    I’m very concerned about what’s going on around the lake. This past Friday my neighbor called Glen rundell the president of the association at 2 00 to tell him that there where people with snow mobiles on the lake. I got his number from the web site. She got an answering machine so I left a message I tried again at 5 30 and got a answering machine. She called the Vice President Bruce Rowell and there was no answer. She called the secretary Neil Cayey and there was no answer. She called Lois Seyse and she wasn’t home but I talked with her husband about the problem. He was nice but didn’t know what to do about the problem. My issue is no one ever went out on the lake to confront them. They were there from Friday to Sunday evening. There are also people ice fishing out there. They have little sheds set up. I had called him last year several times about the same thing. No one from the association ever showed up. People were ice fishing and snow mobileing all winter long. I don’t go to the annual meetings anymore because they say the same B.S. every year but nothing gets done. Just a lot of talk. My neighbor went out on the lake and followed the snow mobile tracks. He knows what camps they’re coming out of. Why didn’t one of the association board people do the same thing? Lazy bunch of people! He started telling me about the survey that was done on the lake. About the association trying to take peoples properties and putting up fences. I want to see this survey. I want to bring it to my lawyer. Does anyone know how I can get a copy? I left this comment on another blog to.

  6. Anonymous said,

    January 7, 2009 at 10:07 am

    My family owns property on the lake and I can understand your frustration with the members of the association. We had our own problem that they were totally unresponsive to. As far as the ice fishing goes, I don’t believe there is anything they can do about it unless they find out people are trespassing onto the lake. I myself am an avid fisherman and have ice fished on the lake. As long as the people that are fishing are not trespassing to get onto the lake they have the right to fish the lake. This at least, is what I was told by the Saratoga County Fisheries Biologist. I even found this:

    http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/32366.html

    Personally, If you or anyone you know fishes the lake in the summer, you know we could do with less of the voracious pickerel that infest it. A little ice fishing would help in this regard as they are aggressive feeders all year long.

    If you note in the membership directory (at least the older ones I have) association members are allowed to be on the ice, just certain activities are banned (I.e. ice fishing). This is supposedly for safety but I am sure it is also because in the old days there were not many year round residents and people (non members) could drive down into one of the groves and park and trespass and get onto the ice.

    I certainly understand your frustration and agree that there are many problems and like everything else certain things need to change with the times.

  7. Joe said,

    January 7, 2009 at 11:35 am

    I agree that the lake has some serious problems. I don’t like the idea that a member tried very hard to advise the association heads of snowmobile activity and no one responded. I read several stories in the paper not to long ago that concerned me. A survey that was done on the lake is really causing some serious problems. I don’t like the idea of putting up fences and starting lawsuits. And from what I gather it wasn’t necessary. I talked to some friends and what I was told about the associations reasoning doesn’t sit well with me. The whole thing doesn’t make any sense. I called my lawyer and he already knew about the survey. He has another client on the lake who wants to sell her property but he advised her against it until things are sorted out here. According to the survey she may not own her front lawn. She got a copy of the survey from a builder the lake association is suing, Mike Casadei on Crooked St. I spoke to him on the phone and I’m going to meet him to look at the survey next week. He had nothing good to say about the situation and I generally agree with him. I know some of the people that are on the board of the lake association. Some I think are nice people with good intentions but others I have no use for. A lot of people on the lake have not been happy with the association for a long time. Mr. Casadei has some good ideas. My lawyer feels that eventually it will get straightened out but in the meantime it will get very ugly.

  8. Jeremy said,

    January 7, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Well – Ive been coming here for about 5 years and have finally owned the property for just over 1. Regarding the blog, I have the following comments –
    It is frustrating that there hasnt been anyone to contact regarding the snowmobile situation, however – the posting was on January 4th, and referenced the situation occurred between the 2nd and 4th, which in reality is a holiday weekend (not excusing, keep reading) so I can see why maybe the first call wasn’t responded to. The second call went to Bruce (my neighbor and a great guy) but I’m willing to bet that the call went to a 518 area code number I saw for him earlier on the internet. The problem is that a 518 number for Bruce is only valid while he is at his cabin. He actually lives in PA when he’s not here with us.
    So the problem remains that there is no clear contact tree for the members who reside here year round. This is something that really ought to be addressed immediately.
    As for the Cassadei situation, I know not him, nor have I ever met Mr. Rundell. I do know, however, that the association owns the lake, and one has to assume a certain amount of land surrounding it. I read Glen’s timeline that came in the mail and in truth, if even half of what he has said is true it would seem that Mr. Cassadei is working quite hard to pin us against the association. I’ve not yet formed an opinion, other than that we should all be vigilant and involved in the association we pay dues to – I’m guessing far too many of the members are not.

  9. Mike said,

    January 8, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Has anyone also seen the report which shows that Chloroform in the lake was at dangerous levels this past summer?

    The Association does nothing about any of the problems on the lake, even ones that occur in Spring and Summer. For example:
    Drastically changing the shoreline habitats (Building personal sand beaches, or personal boat launches in which they actually drive their trucks INTO THE LAKE) (and no there were no permits to do so),
    Installing permanent docks going down either side of a camper’s property (which they apparently think extends into the water), to use as boudaries???… Oh by the way they drove a BOBCAT on the lake when it was drained to accomplish this feat! I won’t go into the new water snake habitat they created by doing so…

    I have yet to see our dues be put towards ANY meaningful ventures on the lake.
    I find it funny WE as members need to be “in good standings” with the Association, but they do not need to be in good standings with us.

    I am personally, very disappointed in the Galway Lake Governance.

  10. Upset said,

    January 8, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Where is the board???
    Why are they not defending themselves???
    Could they have all been bought off????

  11. Anonymous said,

    January 8, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Please people, don’t kid yourself. I‘ve been on this lake for a great many years. It’s obvious that this lake has been controlled by one family for a very long time. All the officers, board of directors and grove representatives are simply pawns. I think it’s fair to say that some of the officers have become drunk with the authority they have over the members. As far as the dues we all pay, it appears that in a short period of time the facts will surface regarding the associations use of our money. They have done nothing for this lake but cause trouble. I know, I’ve been here. When you try to help them they shun you. On this lake if you’re not in the club, or if you’re not kissing the right persons butt, you get no help, not even a return phone call. It’s sickening and I’m glad I may live to see it change.

  12. Joe said,

    January 8, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    How true. At the very least we need new officers and board members. Most of the officers should live on the lake year round so when issues need to be dealt with quickly, they can be. New blood with a new attitude is needed..

  13. camper said,

    January 9, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    the board of directors meetings are open to members of glca. it is interesting that almost nobody other than glca officers attend the meetings, but many are critical of the boards actions. people should get involved and informed as to how much work the volunteer board members actually do on behalf of the members of the glca. stop complaining, and do something yourself, to make the lake a better place to enjoy.

  14. Joe said,

    January 10, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Camper, you obviously have not read what people have wrote on this page. Are you a volunteer by chance?

  15. camper said,

    January 10, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Joe- Of coarse I read what is on this blog. No I am not a board member, just someone who has been around the lake for more than 45 years. People are writing about a secret survey. Well it is not a secret and knowing where the property lines are is kinda important. Snowmobiles on the lake have been going on for as long as I can remember. The lake is posted as private property. Anyone can call enforcement agencies and try to get them to respond. Ice fisherman on the lake, same story. My point was alot of people really care about what happens around the lake, few people do much about it.

  16. Joe said,

    January 10, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Camper, I have also been on this lake for many years. Year round for the last 7. As far as the survey goes, I see through the letter we get yearly from the association that we are paying for a survey. The problem is what the survey is now being used for. If you read the newspaper articles, you simply have to be concerned. Most people haven’t seen the survey and there is already several lawsuits. I will see the survey this coming week and draw my own conclusion after speaking to my lawyer. Snowmobiles are gas powered. Gas powered vehicles are not allowed on the lake. Anyone can call the police if you see a snowmobile one the lake, but they won’t respond. They expect the association to handle it. That’s a fact, I’ve called the State Police and Sheriffs. The lake is not entirely posted as private property. And even though only a few people want to do something about it, those people should be respected by the directors, I know that’s not happening.

  17. Joe said,

    January 10, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Camper, it’s 2:55 Saturday. There’s a snowmobile on the west side of the lake now and you can clearly see the tracks. They are also ice fishing. Care to handle this?

  18. camper said,

    January 10, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Joe, if you are right there, why don’t you handle it. You can either call the police, or hike out on the ice and inform the people that they are violating GLCA rules and regulations. When they tell you to hike back from where you came from, then what? Personally I am more concerned with people polluting the lake and the weed problem. Did you know that you can also use your computer to leave a message to the GLCA board members at the web site – http://www.galwaylakeassociation.com
    Keep up the comments though, I am sure that I am not the only one to read them.

  19. Joe said,

    January 11, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    It appears that snowmobiling and ice fishing is allowed on the lake. I had emailed the board on Friday to make them aware that this was happening on the lake again this weeend. No one came out and I didn’t get a return email. It’s Sunday evening and the machines are still out there. I wonder how long it will be before we see a jet ski on the lake?

  20. Very Concerned said,

    January 12, 2009 at 10:32 am

    Maybe I should start Ice Fishing too, at least I have more of a right then people trespassing on the lake to fish.

    Maybe if I could snag 40 or 50 pickerel I can make a difference!

    I agree gas powered vehicles should not be on the lake, and I also know that the lake being private property, creates enforcement issues, but perhaps the GLCA should be hiring a guard (Professional enforcement) of some kind for weekends? I am sure our (misapproprated?) dues more than pay for the cost.

    To the Jet Ski comment, for $20 you too can now drop one in the lake!
    Why not a bass boat with a 100hp engine! If the snowmobilers arent being stopped why would anyone be stopped in the summer!? Now they will have a boat launch to do it easily!

  21. Aqua12074 said,

    January 12, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    It appears there is a double standard on this lake. My neighbor has followed the tracks that the snowmobilers have left. They use the snowmobiles’ to get to their fishing spots. It seems that it’s a group that own some very expensive places on the lake. Could it be that they’re part of the “club” therefore they go unchallenged? And I still want to know where this god dam survey is.

  22. JR said,

    January 17, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    I’ve been at the Lake for forty years and I’ve seen plenty of good and bad changes. I don’t agreee with every thing that the current director’s on the GLCA have done but overall these folks have done a great deal to help improve the health of the Lake. The survey hasn’t cost the association that much and was completed ahead of schedule because one member donated his own money to have it finished.
    I agree with the association that those who do not pay their annual dues should not have access to the lake. The fence that was constructed in front of the old Lakeview Inn was done so because the owner hadn’t paid his annual assocation dues in the past 10+ years.
    Unfortunately ice fishing and riding snow mobiles on the lake in the winter happens. I’ve called the State Police and Sheriff several times in the past 6-7 years. Neither group wants to enforce the regulation that is in place. It’s frustrating and I hate to see people take advantage of the situation. The vast majority of those ice fishing are not lake association members. Another thing I can tell you is to be very careful confronting those ice fishing and riding snow mobiles. I’ve been threatened by snow mobilers and have seen some of the ice fisherman wearing fire arms. Be really careful because someone getting hurt isn’t worth it.

  23. yesucan518 said,

    January 18, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    The GLCA is a business. It’s incorporated and it pays taxes. We as members appoint the officers and the president. The board decides what rules and regulations the members have to live by. They also decide how money is appropriated. They also decide the amount of force needed to deal with any given situation. They have the power. Having said that, let’s address the fence that was erected in the Jeffers section, more specifically in front of the old Lakeview Inn. If in fact the association was owed dues for over ten years by the owner, one has to ask why the board allowed a non member access to the lake for so long without dealing with it sooner. Additionally, why would the officers feel that putting up a fence would keep this non member off the lake. There are many points around the lake that non members can get on the water without a problem. As an example, in the summertime along Lake Road I see people parked on the shoulder of the road launching boats. What are we going to do, put a fence all around the lake? Putting up a fence that ultimately prohibited those GLCA members with deeded lake rights the ability to get to the lake was not a wise decision. Especially so when one of those property owners is handicapped. The fence cost the members over $8,000 from what I understand. And the bad press cost the reputation of the lake dearly. The officers should have instead taken the non member to court. They could have gotten a money judgment and an order restraining the non member from getting on the lake.

    Secondly, the officers have made it very clear that ice fishing and gas powered engines are not allowed on the lake. I think we all agree with this rule. Now, it’s time to enforce the rules they’ve made. It’s not happening. Is it because it can’t be enforced, they don’t know how, or do they just want to make rules and not enforce them unless they want to gang-up on someone?.

    I’ve said this before and it is worth repeating, the officers of the GLCA are not taking their responsibilities to the members seriously. Shooting first, then asking questions later is fine if you’re dealing with your own money and reputation. But, when you take on the responsibility to represent the interest of 550 people, you need to act responsibly. You don’t manage a lake with the problems this one faces while sitting in your easy chair at your home somewhere far away from Galway Lake. And simply telling grove directors to explain to the members in their groves that everything is going to be alright while not being truthful to those directors, is not going to solve present and future problems. So far all I’ve seen is bad judgment and hidden agendas from this association.

    I welcome any officer to comment only about the fence issue and the snowmobile and ice fishing issue on this blog. Once we have that out in the open, we can hear more on the survey and it’s cause and effect.

  24. Camper said,

    January 18, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    yesucan518 – What would you do regarding the ice fishing and snowmobile issue. Since the police will not enforce it, what do you suggest? This has been happening for many years, why have you not done anything about it if it bothers you so much? Why don’t you become a board member so you can be part of the solution. Let us all in on your wisdom. Dont forget you can post your name and contact information here or on the GLCA site. I’am sure someone will contact you.

  25. JR said,

    January 18, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    yesucan518-There must be some penalty for not paying association dues. If everyone stopped paying dues how would taxes, insurance, and all the other costs of maintaining the Lake be paid? In my mind if you don’t pay association dues than you shouldn’t have access to the lake. Using your logic of taking the non-member to court and seeking a restraining order would also be costly and just as difficult to enforce. I also disagree with your statement ‘bad press cost the reputation of the lake dearly’. In my opinion what has occurred, with the construction of the fence and the Michael Casadei situation, sends a message to the public that the Association is making an effort to protect the rights of Association members. I’ve asked several people, who have no interest in the Lake, what they thought about the articles in the news media. All but one said they think it shows that the Association is standing up for the rights of the dues paying members. Most also felt that Mr. Casadei has done a good job of taking his displeasure with the Association to the court of public opinion.
    As I said in my first post I don’t agree with every decision that the GLCA has made. However, the Director’s and those that head several of the committees are volunteers who work very hard. Not every decision they make is going to be correct but I sincerely feel that they are making these decisions with the betterment of the Lake in mind.

  26. Anonymous said,

    January 18, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    There is no reason to not allow ice fishing to members (at least no prevailing reason that would outweigh what I believe to be a campers right) and I myself have done it. I don’t do it very often because I don’t feel like being accosted by year rounders who I doubt have been enjoying the lake and paying dues even 1/4th as long as my family has been up there. We are all perfectly free to ice skate, cross country ski and walk the lake as we see fit, let’s outlaw ALL winter lake activities. For anyone that fishes the lake in the summer, even half as hard as I do, you know that there is an overpopulation of stunted pickerel (”hammer handles”) in the lake that cannot possibly be doing the bass population any good. I am not a fisheries biologist, and don’t claim to be, but the association pays to have the lake stocked (with walleye) and I have to believe that these pickerel also out compete those as well. Pickerel happen to be a delicious meal and are open to fishing in the winter.

    Galway Lake is a major (500+ acre) resource that is home to various fish and wildlife including eagles, loons and a host of other fascinating birds and animals. It is in my opinion that sometimes this fact is forgotten and the powers that be manage the lake as a body of water with lots of private property around it and not a natural resource. (I know the lake is mostly man made but I still consider it a natural resource. It no longer serves any commercial purpose). I get the impression more and more every year from alot of the things that I see going on that most of the property owners also see it this way.

    I understand that the ice can be a liability (again see banning ALL lake activities then) and that there would be no way of proving if someone trespassed onto the lake or not but let’s face it, ice fishing has been going on as long as I can remember (20+ years). The police are not arresting people because the association does not own the actual water (as far as I know at least). Allowing responsible paying campers onto the lake for the purpose of ice fishing would be the best way to ensure that free loaders are not on the lake trespassing and snowmobiling.

    GLCA is a domestic not for profit. Its whole purpose is to manage the resource and collect the funds to manage the resource. I just do not see how keeping the people that are paying the dues from enjoying the resource all year round is a fair allocation of power.

    I would love to hear from the people on here that keep mentioning that the association does nothing about getting the ice fishermen (and women) off the lake. Why can’t we allow ice fishing on the lake? Why continue to put such a burden, the burden of policing a 500+ acre resource, on a small group of people? Let’s start airing concerns and dealing with some of the REAL issues. i.e. Water quality, invasive species, building expansion etc. Why are we so concerned about how people are enjoying the resource and not whether or not our families will even have one in 50 years?

  27. yesucan518 said,

    January 19, 2009 at 12:08 am

    JR, I have also talked to a number of property owners. The responses I get regarding the matters at hand are a little different then what you’ve received. Also, I think you’ve been misinformed and perhaps ill advised regarding the matters at hand. If you feel erecting the fence was a better and more cost efficient option to litigating, then you obviously have not spoke to an attorney. I have. If you think the press that lake as received recently is a positive thing? You need to speak to a real estate professional. No one wants to buy property on a lake that has the issues this one has. Keep in mind, when the $8,000 fence erected, it was only then that the officers realize that they had taken the law in their own hands by simply erecting a fence unknowingly keeping people that have easements out (handicapped and not). Consequently the fence was moved and a gate was constructed. In the real world, someone would have been strongly reprimanded or even ousted for being so reckless. Seeking a money judgment and restraining order would allow the association the ability to collect ($10,000) through the legal process insted of spending almost the smae amount. The restraining order is a court order that law enforcement is obligated to enforce. If the non member goes on that lake we now have the right to demand he be removed and face the judical system.

    With respect to the Casadei matter, I took the time to speak to him and I’ve seen the survey and read the depositions. His position is far different then what you surmise. Maybe you should get all the facts before rendering an opinion. Some already have. I think once all the facts are disclosed, we will see that the decision to sue him was not well thought out, and perhaps motivated by personal differences between him and some of the officers of the GLCA. In any case, it appears that Mr. Rundell has been less then honest in the letter he recently sent to members.

    Once again, I would like for all of us to hear from an officer of our association on this blog, regarding ice fishing and snowmobiling.

    And for the record, I agree that members should have the right to fish on the lake in the winter. The reality is it’s perfectly legal.

  28. JR said,

    January 19, 2009 at 10:04 am

    yesucan518, I have spoken with a real estate professionals and they see this as the Association protecting the rights of it’s members. Take a moment and look at what is going on at Lake George and Saratoga Lake. Many more legal issues than at Galway and I don’ see it hurting property values at those places!

    I also know the Casadei matter much better than you suggest. I live within 250 of the propery that is in question. This property was actually part of the lake until the past owners (Trosan and Hammond) filled it in. So I think you should get the facts correct before telling me that I don’t have anyone knowledge of this situation. In addition, none of this so called bad public press would have gone out if Mr. Casadei hadn’t decided to take his complaints to the news media. Perhaps Mr. Casadei would have been better advised to let the legal system handle things and keep it out of the media. Had he done this, using your logic, prperty values wouldn’t be hurt at all.

  29. yesucan518 said,

    January 19, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Camper, let me help you with the facts they way they are, and not the way you want them to be; the bad press started when the association erected the fence in Jeffers. That was months before the Casadei story. I notice you’re not saying that those residents in Jeffers wanted their issue with the GLCA played out in the media. Several of the residents that were upset by the erection of the fence told a reporter from the Times Union and Daily Gazette about the Lake Road issue. Got it now? Even the president of the GLCA in his letter to me admits that the press was damaging didn’t report the facts, apparently as he saw them.

    If you haven’t read the depositions and reviewed the complaints, you don’t know the facts. And this is a good example of what’s wrong with the management lake. Acting without having all the facts. This mentality got us in trouble in Jeffers. I suspect we will see the same on Lake Rd.

    With regard to property values, this is a lake with a hidden survey that competes with existing surveys. That means some people don’t own what they bought. You may have talked to someone in real estate who feels this is a non issue when assessing property values, if so I wouldn’t call them a professional.

    I would still like to hear from a n officer of the GLCA.

  30. Michael said,

    January 19, 2009 at 11:22 am

    Mr. Camper, I’ve read your comments sir. I can honestly say you are wrong on the facts. I don’t know where you got your information, but it sounds like the same GCLA version of the facts that the press didn’t buy into either. Let’s just let the court render their decisions and we’ll do what needs to be done after. Not much can be done before that.

  31. JR said,

    January 19, 2009 at 11:28 am

    yesucan- You have an opinion and I have a different opinion. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. I know facts and you know facts. Sometimes you have to stop for a minute and realize not everyone is going to agree with you. I guess now the legal system will decide how things move forward.

    Maybe you should just come out from behind the yesucan518 handle and say who you really are!

  32. JR said,

    January 19, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Michael, One thing I know for certain is that a good portion of the property in question was filled in by former owners. I spoke with the TU reporter and she didn’t completely buy your story either. As with any story there are two sides to it. The one thing we can agree on is that the courts should decide. It’s just too bad it ever had to come to that.

    The whole thing stinks on both sides. GLCA made some poor decisions and you should have been upfront from the start when you purchased the property from Bill Trosan.

  33. yesucan518 said,

    January 19, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Mr. Lake Camper, I’m not comfortable doing that. I don’t want to be the next property owner that may have a problem. You seem to be especially comfortable with the GCLA. Why don’t you come out from behind the JR handle, if you think it makes that much of a difference?

  34. JR said,

    January 19, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    I’ve been at the Lake long enough that everyone knows me as JR.

  35. yesucan518 said,

    January 19, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    JR, you are probibly not going to beleive me but, I’ve asked around and no one knows who JR is. In any event you have verified what I suspected all along. Thanks

  36. JR said,

    January 19, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    yesucan518- If you want to verify my identity you will have to do a little work.

    Take Miickey Mantle’s Number
    Take Phil Rizzuto’s Number
    Take Roger Maris’ Number

    Put all those together and that will give you my camp number.

    As I’ve said before I don’t agree with everything that GLCA has done or stood for. Several years ago I told one big shot, who runs a bank in Scotia, to go jump in the Lake! I quit the committe I was serving on because I felt that nothing important was being accomplished. However, with that being said, I respect that many of these people have worked hard to improve the environment at Galway Lake. We owe a great debt to some of those who have volunteered many hours of service at the Lake.
    I’ve enjoyed being on this blog and although I don’t agree with some of the things you have said, I still respect your opinion. At the top of this blog it asks for comments about experiences at Galway Lake. I am simply giving you mine. It’s a great lake and should be equally shared by all dues paying members.
    What concerns me is that you have written off my opinion without really recognizing that I’m entitled to an opinion. When you engage in this aren’t you doing the same thing that you have assused the GLCA of?
    Hope you have a nice winter and get to enjoy the Lake this coming summer. With all the snow we’ve had at least the Lake should be full….

    P.S. I won’t put too much merit in the negative press the Lake has gotten in the Times Union. Half the people that read the TU have no idea where the hell Galway is and the other half are too old to give a hoot.

  37. Anonymous said,

    January 19, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    I must have missed something in this blog. When you say that he should have been upfront from the start when you purchased the property from Bill Trosan, what does that mean?

  38. Anon. said,

    January 19, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Not to get off topic here but yup Maris was bounced around alot when it wasn’t as common in sports to do so. He never seemed to get his fair shake.

    My Aunt has guides going back at least into the fifties. I almost want to say 40’s but I haven’t seen them in so long I could be wrong. They are old that’s all I know. It’s funny because they haven’t seemed to change at all. Look pretty much the same. If I can recall correctly even the font is pretty much the same on the front.

  39. JR said,

    January 19, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Anon, You’re right the names at the Lake haven’t changed all that much. That is one of the many things I appreciate about Galway Lake. Same families generation after generation. One of the things that does concern me is that you don’t see as many young people around the Lake as you used to. Maybe kids today are interested in doing other things but I’m concerned that so few young people are involved in Lake management and activities. I always thought that the GLCA should sponsor some sort of educational activities, in the summer, that would be intended to get kids involved in the ecology and health of the Lake. Just an idea that could get kids learning and help to ensure a positive future for the Lake.
    Oh and by the way, the next thing you’ll be telling me is that Brett Favre played for a team other than my beloved Green Bay Packers. On second thought, I guess he played for the Falcons before he was traded to Green Bay….

  40. penguin said,

    January 26, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    I think Micheal has a lot of explaining to do as well as lying to Mr. Trosan

  41. Anonymouse said,

    January 27, 2009 at 8:52 am

    Rumor has it a camp (House) was sold in Weiss and along with it the public beach… How does something like that happen?

  42. bankit said,

    January 28, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I know someone who helps out at the food pantry in town. I’m told that this bad guy you’re referring to has donated a lot of money over the past few years (like thousands). I’m going to wait and see what happens before I comment. On the other hand, I’d like to finally see less plant growth in the lake. Does anyone have any suggestions?

  43. anon. said,

    January 28, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    I am not a biologist but I have read that populations of grass carp have been used to control weeds in other bodies of water. Carp are herbivores that prefer high fiber plants and weeds. Not sure how that would fit in with the growth in Galway but I would see it as a win win. Good for the fishermen who like to catch carp and they wouldn’t out compete the bass and walleye. If anything by controlling the weeds they might take away some of the preferred weedy habitat of the pickerel and cut back on some of those. I don’t really see a downside to putting a few hundred in, but again I am not a scientist.

    I appreciate the efforts of the association in lowering the water but not sure if that will work long term. Seems like a steady population of fat carp (they can get 40 or 50lbs I believe) would be a great experiment.

  44. Bankit said,

    January 28, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Do you know if the carp that you refer to bread faster then other fish in the lake? Are they aggressive with the other fish?

  45. anon. said,

    January 28, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Honestly bankit I do not know. I do not believe they are aggressive with other fish and I believe that they are mostly bottom feeders. Plenty of much smaller lakes have them and also maintain a healthy population of other fish.

    It would certainly be something to look into. Don’t know if it would make a difference or not. I am sure if you google weed control and carp there are probably some articles out there.

  46. Anonymous said,

    January 28, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    The letter I received from the GLCA says that Trosan wasn’t the owner of the property when he applied for the ZBA approval, Casadei was. How could that be?

  47. Anonymous said,

    January 28, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    The Galway Town Board fell for the story that Trosan gave them about building his dream house on that piece of property. The Town Board dropped the ball on this one. However, with that being said I think it’s a shame that some kind of compromise couldn’t have been reached between Mr. Casadei and the GLCA. It would have made much more sense to me.

  48. Anonymous said,

    January 28, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    I see. But why do you think Casadei just go apply to the Town Board himself?

  49. Anonymous said,

    January 28, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Got me on that one. I can only guess he thought they would turn him down.

  50. Joe said,

    January 29, 2009 at 9:01 am

    Mr. Casadei did not own the property when Mr. Trosan won town approval. Earlier on this blog I tried to explain that this situation is far from cut and dry. There has been statements made and wrote by the GLCA that simply aren’t true. It’s truly unfortunate that this has gotten so ugly and if this madness doesn’t stop it’s going to get uglier. I agree with you in that this situation could have been handled a lot better, I hope this is recognized going forward.

  51. Anonymous said,

    February 1, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Yes, I agree this realy needs to stop. As I read these comments it seems things are not adding up. Someone is obviously not telling the truth and it’s starting to piss me off!. I think a call to the town might shed light on the matter. If Trosan, Casadei or Glen Rundell is hiding something shame on them for making this such a big deal.

  52. Bankit said,

    February 1, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Seems like a good idea. Maybe the Zoning Board or Build Permit Dept. would have some information. I’m still researching the effect carp may have in the lake. Looks kind of promising so far.

  53. Lobo said,

    February 1, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Building Permit Dept ? I thought that was disbanded with the add ons I’ve seen. Don’t seem to be any “footpath” ruling anymore.

  54. bankit said,

    February 3, 2009 at 12:27 am

    Mike, you have gone far beyond what the Galway Blog means to the Galway lake people. You continue to show everything is about you and not the people lol

  55. Bankit said,

    February 3, 2009 at 9:21 am

    Excuse me. Bankit is my online name. I don’t appreciate you using it to make comments I don’t initiate or agree with. If you have a problem with “Mike”, make statements under your own name please.

  56. Anonymous said,

    February 3, 2009 at 9:30 am

    whatever your name is, who gave you the job of speeking for the galway lake people?

  57. Anonymous said,

    February 3, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    galwaycamper, you must be as old as dust. your spelling isn’t graded on a blog, neither is your use of punctuations, quotation marks and periods. if that where the case, your last comment would be considered a literary abortion.

  58. The Original Anon. said,

    February 3, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    I am really shocked at how fast this blog went into the toilet. It seemed to be somewhat productive at first and now it seems like people are having nasty personal conversations with each other. Who is this Mike, is it Michael Casadei? How do you know who that is who your actually speaking to? Can we try and get back on track? If you want to insult each other at least try and present some facts or relevant information regarding the cases and situations at hand. I am starting to wonder if the people commenting are even Galway Lake Campers at all.

  59. JR said,

    February 3, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    I came across this today on the Department of Environmental Conservation Website. It has to do with Ice Fishing in Saratoga County. They now have Galway Lake listed under private ownership. It wasn’t listed this way a few years ago. In my mind this is step in the right direction for those association members who like fishing at the Lake. I have posted address below for anyone interested is seeing what is on this page.

    http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/32366.html

  60. Anonymous said,

    February 5, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Another lawsuit is on it’s way. For additional information you can contact Glen Rundell, President, Galway Lake Campers Association. grundell@nycap.rr.com, 518 982-1286

  61. The Original Anon. said,

    February 5, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Can you be more specific about the new lawsuit? Inquiring minds want to know.

  62. Anonymous said,

    February 5, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    What now?

  63. Anonymous said,

    February 5, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    I’ve heard about it. I don’t want to misinform anyone. I think in all fairness we should hear it from Glen. Apparently a mistake was made.

  64. Anonymous said,

    February 5, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    nice try. that was no mistake.

  65. The Original Anon. said,

    February 5, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Trosan’s lost their bid to have the fence removed.

  66. Anonymous said,

    February 5, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Michael or should I say “Joe”, I looked to see if the GLCA, Trosan or you are lying. I was amazed to find your affirmation, posted on your site. In it you and Trosan both swear that September 2, 2005 was the date of sale.

    http://galwaylake.biz/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/9-06-06-affirmation.pdf

    Now we know the GLCA was telling the truth…

  67. WE The People said,

    February 5, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    How great is that- the fence stands!!!!!!!

  68. Anonymous said,

    February 6, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Glen, at the risk of being called Joe or Mike, I’d you keep in mind that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially when it comes to the law. You should stop raising legal non-issues and go down to the Galway Town Hall and ask to see the property file on Trosan – 0 Lake Rd (maybe you already have). Then ask yourself, can you get everyone around the lake to believe that the title company, the two attorneys and the two litigants involved in that real estate transaction are all lying and you’re telling the truth. From the beginning, your assertion that Casadei, who undoubtedly is well versed in real estate would hide his ownership in the property and elect Trosan to go before the ZBA simply didn’t make any sense at all. And if your entire basis for believing Casadei owned the property is the Affidavit you point to, then why didn’t you raise that issue at his deposition? Isn’t that what depositions are for? You have opened this lake up to another lawsuit and for no good reason – congratulations.

  69. Bankit said,

    February 6, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Unteresting

  70. Anonymous said,

    February 6, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Hey Glen, after Lou tells you what to say, maybe you and your lawyers want to mosey on down to the town hall and do the reading you should have done in August of 08. Maybe you deep thinkers can figure out a way to limit the liability the association has been exposed to because of that bone headed move you made. Thanks again.

  71. Anonymous said,

    February 6, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    it was 07, not 08. it’s been that long

  72. Anonymous said,

    February 6, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    right, thanks

  73. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 11:04 am

    i don’t get it, what’s going on now?

  74. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Let me explain it in very simple terms, because some of the entries on this blog lead me to believe we have very simple very minds out there. Glen Rundell was displeased with the news paper coverage the lake had recently received. So instead of just keeping his mouth shut and waiting for his day in court, he decided to write a letter to all the members. It turns out the letter contains information that is defamatory in a bunch of ways, one of which is the “time line.” It’s wrong and makes Casadei look like he’s done something underhanded. Casadei signed a Purchase and Sale Contract and Land Option on September 2005 (on file at the town hall). A Land Option or Contingency Contract is commonly used when a builder wishes to buy a lot that is currently unbuildable. It would be the owner’s responsibility to get approval in order for the deal to close. Trosan got approval and Casadei closed in either February or March of 2006 (deed is dated and on file at the Saratoga County Clerks Office). Casadei went into contrat with his buyer. As a consequence of Rundell’s letter Casadei lost the buyer he was developing the property for. Now all you arm chair analysts out there that thought you had this whole thing figured out may want to get off your asses and check it out. Why you ask? Because Casadei asked for a simply apology from Rundell and he won’t do it. Now Casadei has advised the association that he is filing another lawsuit against the association seeking damages ($300,000). The big question is, if Casadei wins, where does the money come from? Someone needs to take the pen out of Rundell’s hand a tape his mouth shut, this guy is an idiot.

  75. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    oh my god. this is crazy

  76. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Someone got on the lake with a snowmabile off Crooked St

  77. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    isn’t this glen guy in the information business? how ironic is that. lol

  78. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    mission accomplished, mr. president. lol

  79. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    How do we find out how much this has cost the members so far?

  80. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    i guess you can ask someone from the GCLA. email addresses are on the website. http://www.galwaylakeassociation.com. good luck on that. or wait until the budget comes out.

  81. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    big lou will let the association borrow the money at a modest rate of return of course. lol

  82. Anonymous said,

    February 7, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    it’s “snowmobile”, not snowmabile. we need to keep our spelling up to par while your lake is being DRAINED by lawsuits. isn’t that right galwaycamper? lol you people are great

  83. the ice fisher said,

    February 7, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    I love ice fishing this lake

    snowmobiles there great they shouldent be on the lake

    I love this lake

  84. the ice fisher said,

    February 7, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    fish fish fish snowmobile

  85. LAKE LOVER said,

    February 8, 2009 at 12:01 am

    I love this place yeeehaaa

  86. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 12:15 am

    well said getaclue.

  87. camper said,

    February 8, 2009 at 1:03 am

    wow alot of crazy stuff but true

  88. small mouth said,

    February 8, 2009 at 1:11 am

    lets be bice

    but true i agree with camper

  89. the point said,

    February 8, 2009 at 1:36 am

    the truth the truth

  90. bobby said,

    February 8, 2009 at 1:47 am

    yup

  91. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 4:31 am

    that’s the way to solve a problem glen, add more fuel to it. if the comments on this blog were limited to facts there would be very few comments.

  92. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 4:33 am

    and it’s obvious 13 of the last 14 entries were from the same person – grow up

  93. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 10:17 am

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  94. JR said,

    February 8, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Disgusted- Do you really think Glen Rundell would be stupid enough to post on this blog. What evidence do you have that those postings are his? Is this just your opinion or do you have facts to back it up?

  95. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 11:51 am

    jr, after reading his letter he sent to the members, i do believe he is stupid enough to write on this blog. and no, i have no personal knowledge. but it seems that personal knowledge isn’t needed to comment on this blog. isn’t this one of your comments?
    JR said,

    January 19, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Michael, One thing I know for certain is that a good portion of the property in question was filled in by former owners. I spoke with the TU reporter and she didn’t completely buy your story either. As with any story there are two sides to it. The one thing we can agree on is that the courts should decide. It’s just too bad it ever had to come to that. The whole thing stinks on both sides. GLCA made some poor decisions and you should have been upfront from the start when you purchased the property from Bill Trosan.

    i assume your referring to casadei. Do you have personal knowledge that Casasdei had posted comments? I get the feeling rundell is either a friend, relative or neighbor. am I correct?

  96. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    jr, you where also one of the people that was convinced that he owned the property when trosan went before the zba. as it has been said on this blog “a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing”

  97. john stimpson said,

    February 8, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    casasdei, face it you live to sue people. the only reason we are in a lawsuit is because of you, the board did nothing wrong and is comprised of honest people doing their best…..try getting a life and stop supporting lawyers.

  98. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    john, what would you know, you’re not even a member. more games, no facts. that’s what got us here

  99. J.P. said,

    February 8, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Lawsuits are a factual necessity of our world. It’s the civilized way of ending disputes. Without torts one could only imagine what our society would be like. The longer you live, and the more business dealings you have, the more lawsuits you will entertain. If you choose not to litigate and don’t stand up for your beliefs, what are you, other than a complainer? Simply put, there are those that talk, and those that do. I believe the CLCA has given him good reasons to litigate the matters at hand, otherwise the court would have considered his complaints frivolous and thrown them out, maybe with penalties. And in my humble opinion, based on what I’ve gathered, it would be wise to strongly consider negotiating a settlement, if possible.

  100. J.P. said,

    February 8, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    I think we have a lot of jealousy here Mr. Casadei. You’re dealing with uneducated, unsophisticated minds some of which are good candidates for prison themselves no doubt. You have done good work for the community, it is recognized and appreciated.

  101. JR said,

    February 8, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Ok, one thing I am right on is that the property in question was filled in by Bill Trosan and an owner before that named Bud Hammond. In addition, I was at the board meeting when Mr. Trosan claimed that he was asking for a variance because he wanted to build HIS dream home. The courts will decide and people will have to live with that decision. In my opinion it’s a shame that it has come to that. Glen Rundell is not a relative but I do consider him to be a friend. I’d be the first person to tell Glen that I don’t agree with everything the GLCA has done but I have a great deal of respect for the time and effort many people on the GLCA Board have put into maintaining the Lake.

  102. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    jr, you are 100% correct in your accounting of the lot. and i do agree with you. sorry if i came off a little rough.

  103. john stimpson said,

    February 8, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    i’m sorry, just funnin don’t sue me i’m poor

  104. CompuPI said,

    February 8, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    If you can get me a Subpoena and provide me with an adequate retainer, I can provide the names and address of the people on this blog who may be included in the action. Also keep in mind that the owner of this blog at the very least has the responsibility to monitor and remove any offensive postings. Blogs are held to the same standard the media is held to. I can explain more if you desire my help. CompuPI@gamail.com

  105. member said,

    February 8, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Is the ice safe to walk on?

  106. Lobo said,

    February 8, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    don’t know member. Go out there, jump up and down and let us know.

  107. member said,

    February 8, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    thank u for the advice

  108. Eric Mazzone said,

    February 8, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    I am writing a local history book on Galway Lake. My family owns a camp on the South Shore of the lake and I am looking for some information about the History of the Galway Lake Campers Association, the sailboat racing club, and the back story on each of the ten groves or sections. If anyone wants to share their experiences on Galway Lake or know some of the older campers that have some stories they wish to share and does not mind being published, email me the info or set up a time for an interview. I started research about four years ago. I would like to complete this project before Christmas 2009

  109. Eric Mazzone said,

    February 8, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    My email is mazzone.eric @gmail.com for anyone who has information about the history of the lake. :) Thanks

  110. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    the ice is fine. there has been fisherman and snowmobiles on the lake all weekend. enjoy

  111. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    jr, how long ago did trosan fill in that spot?

  112. member said,

    February 8, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    thank you

  113. lobo said,

    February 8, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    im not a well liked person

  114. lobo said,

    February 8, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    And i no why

  115. Lobo said,

    February 8, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Above 2 coments are not from Lobo.

  116. JR said,

    February 8, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Hard to remember when Trosan filled in that lot. I would say mid to late 90’s. One of the things I do remember is that he had a spectic system that would over flow. The day after a party could see water running out of his septic tank out into the road. Just plain gross. He finally fixed it before he sold the place.

  117. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    JR, do you recall how much Bud Hammond filled in and when.

  118. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    trosan bought the property in 85

  119. J.P. said,

    February 8, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Can You Help 2/7/09

    The Galway Co-op is looking for a spot to host a 2 week summer camp for children with autism. Large open space with a lake, creek etc. is desirable. A farm with livestock is also desirable. Please call 882-5445.
    Thank you, Michael Casadei http://www.galwayco-op.com

  120. JR said,

    February 8, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    I recall that people dumped leaves in that lot back in the early to mid 70’s. However, it really didn’t make much of a dent into filling the lot in. It was pretty wet back in there and it would have taken a lot to fill it in as it is now. I remember some small trees and brush being in that lot up until the mid to late 80’s. Mrs. Hammond (Jackie) made Elderberry pie because there was an Elderberry tree in that lot. Very nice woman, who smoked at least 2 packs a day, and that pie she made was terrible….

  121. Anonymous said,

    February 8, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    i think he filled it in around 1991- 92. the town came along during that time and put in a colvert pipe going accross the road to the lake and he filled it in more

  122. www.galwayco-op.com said,

    February 10, 2009 at 10:05 am

    A small donation can make a big difference

    http://www.galwayco-op.com/Food%20Pantries.pdf

  123. M said,

    February 10, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    I’m relatively new at fishing. What type of bate would you use to catch walleye?

  124. M said,

    February 10, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    bait, sorry

  125. anon. said,

    February 11, 2009 at 8:07 am

    worms trolled on “worm rigs.” You have probably seen them before. They have colored beads and metal blades as we ll as 3 hooks set a few inches apart from each other on a piece of line.

  126. Anonymous said,

    February 11, 2009 at 9:57 am

    thanks anon. can you suggest any spots in particular?

  127. anon. said,

    February 11, 2009 at 10:19 am

    I have caught them all over in Galway. I like to try the areas on the edges of weed beds near drop offs. Troll at a steady speed and just drag the worm rig about 2-5 feet under the surface (use weight as necessary) about 10 feet behind the boat. Usually when you get one there are more in that area. Walleye kind of “stage” or stay suspended in one area. That has been my experience.

  128. M said,

    February 11, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Thanks for the info Anon. I’ll give it a try this summer.

  129. M said,

    February 11, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Does anyone remember Rossi’s Store, The Rose Garden, Mathias’s Store?

  130. JR said,

    February 11, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    I certainly remember the Rose Garden Inn and also seem to recall Rossi’s. They used to have some rocking times at the Rose Garden Inn!

  131. M said,

    February 11, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Rossi’s store was on Lake Road, a few doors down from Teller lane. A very small building with a store on one side and a bar on the other. I think he left it to a relative and they turned it into a small home. The proprietors’ name was George Rossi – everyone referred to him as Gip. Gip used to spend most of the year in Florida at Hialeah Race Track and a few months here to enjoy Saratoga Race Track.

  132. Lobo said,

    February 12, 2009 at 9:37 am

    Hey guys, forget Lakeview? That was the starting point. Cheeper beer. Get smashed, tske a beer with you and get in line at the Rose Garden. Also Hookers ( The Pines) up on the hill.. They had a couple hot bands at Rose Garden. I remember one great drummer ” Abbie” Did a great solo on the drums to “Caravan”
    Galway Lake was jumping in those days.

  133. anon. said,

    February 12, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    How long ago was that Lobo?

  134. Lobo said,

    February 12, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    too long ann. Must have been at least 30 years ago. My how time flies. lol

  135. anon. said,

    February 12, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    I think I know which place was the Rose Gardens. Was it the place turned into apartments just as you turned onto Hermance off Crooked? I think there is an overgrown lot across the street? I have no idea which place was the Pines or the Lakeview Inn. These places were before my time up there. I have heard stories from my parents though. I think my dad may have even played the organ or piano at one of those places.

  136. Lobo said,

    February 13, 2009 at 12:13 am

    Yes that was the Rose Garden. There would be a line around the corner of crooked st waiting to get in and you could hear the band around most of the lake till 3;00 am. Saturday nights. Pines was up the hill from there across the road from Butterfield lake, down a dirt road maybe 1/4 mile in the Pines.I never saw a piano or organ at any of the places up there Lakeview was where the fence now is that they’re talking about.

  137. anon. said,

    February 13, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Thanks for the info. It is quite possible that I have my stories confused. Is Butterfield Lake still up there?

  138. Lobo said,

    February 13, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    The lake is there but what once was the bar , known for great square dances, is now a home.

  139. Eric Mazzone said,

    February 14, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    M, lobo, and aron. Can you email me with some more info on the Rose Garden Inn, The Pines. Or if you don’t mind sharing your experiences about it some more on the blog that would be great. Thanks~

  140. Michael said,

    February 14, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Eric, you should contact Lenny Weiss if you want a solid history of the lake. Unlike many of the camp owners around the lake who are here only seasonally, Lenny is about 53 now and has lived here all his life, as did his father. He’s a contractor by trade and has worked on many of the properties that dot the shoreline. His son Billy manages this blog. Also, I may have some photos that go back to the sixties if your interested.

  141. Eric Mazzone said,

    February 15, 2009 at 8:35 am

    Thanks Michael. I’ll contact him. Can you send me those photos? My email is mazzone.eric@gmail.com. Thanks ~

  142. Lobo said,

    February 15, 2009 at 9:14 am

    A little before my time, but I remember stories about the Rose Garden back when “Ma Slagis” owned and ruled the place supposedly with a holstered pistol on her hip.I remember the flared parachute hanging over the dance floor. It was always a pretty rough place, and jammed with kids.

  143. JR said,

    March 5, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    As a matter of interest Ron Torsone, a long time summer resident at the Lake, passed away yesterday. Ron leaves behind his wife Carol, three children (Greg, Brad, & Andrea) and several grandchildren. A very nice man who cared deeply about the Galway Lake. He will be missed by many in the Adabar-Fink section.

  144. Anon. said,

    March 10, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Sorry to hear that.

  145. Rosebud said,

    March 16, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    What a great place to chat about a wonderful Lake. I have seen many changes on our lovely Lake. I guess all things must move ahead in life, but I can only hope that we can keep our majestic beauty, and not just in our memories.

  146. Eric Mazzone said,

    March 17, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Does anybody have any memories they would like to share about Weiss Grove such as the former candy store. Someone once told me there was Juke Box on the platform connected to the former candy store and a beer shed that burned down. Anybody have any memories they want to share about the field days they used to have in the Weiss Grove Recreation Field, or the Chicken Barbecues? Someone told me there were once tennis courts in a lot between South Shore Drive East and Parkwood Drive East. This was all before my time up on Galway Lake, pre -1979.

  147. Eric Mazzone said,

    March 20, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Does anyone remember a swimmer named Curly? He had a similar appearance to Curly from the Three Stooges. He used to swim across the lake every morning with a tube tied to him. You used to be able to hear him breath very heavily as he swam.

  148. Eric Mazzone said,

    March 22, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Does anyone remember at one of the Weiss Grove Chicken Barbecues, usually towards the end of August, a skydiver parachuting into the Weiss Grove Rec Field? Also, Jack Arneki from Channel 6 News was always at the Chicken BBQs. I think he was related to someone either in Weiss or Ruback’s Grove.
    I don’t think they did the Chicken BBQ since about 1997. Now they do a Pancake Breakfast. Adolf “Hutt” Barrone and his wife Gloria used to coordinate it. Some of the older campers in Weiss who have passed on would also help out like Virgina Dokes, Chet B., and Ray B. They all had camps in Weiss. We used to have a lot of fun.
    I think way back when they had field days with carnival games for the kids. This was back in 1950s – 70s.
    I want to say in my 29 years in Weiss Grove, the candy store was ran only one summer. I remember the summer that it was in operation it was such as big deal. Otherwise you would have to walk all the way into Rubacks to the Galway Galley.
    Recently, they made some improvements to the field. The shuffle board looks a little nicer and they built a volley ball court. It looks like they are even trying to preserve the men’s outhouse!

  149. Uncle Eddie said,

    March 25, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Is the lake still iced over?

  150. Anon. said,

    March 27, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    yup it is. Just starting to come off around the edges in spots. My bet is April 7-10th barring any insane heat wave.

  151. Scott said,

    April 1, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    I’m considering buying some property nearby Galway Lake and am wondering if I would be able to use a canoe or a small sailboat (no motors) on the lake. The property I’m considering is near, but not on the lake.

    I also noticed that air quality is poor near the lake due to many people burning. Neighbors to the property I am considering were burning large amounts of toxic trash so I asked them about it. They said “this is a rural area and that’s what we do”. Is that true?

  152. Anon. said,

    April 1, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    I am on the South Side of the lake and aside from camp fires I am not aware of anything being burned especially garbage. There are many year round residences around the north side of the lake and what goes on over there I cannot really vouch for.

    As far as canoeing or sailing, if the property you buy has lake rights you will be able to use your boat. If it does not have lake rights you will not. It should be clearly stated before you purchase the land if it has lake rights or not.

    Good Luck.

  153. Scott said,

    April 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    Thanks Anon!

    If I know someone who has lake rights can I boat with their permission?

    Can people who have lake rights give permission to launch, or rent or sell permission to launch?

  154. anon. said,

    April 1, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    I don’t see any reason why someone with lake rights can’t give you access. “Technically” it may not be allowed but as long as you haven’t trespassed to get onto the lake, no one owns the water.

    I would definitely say it would be a no no for someone to sell or rent access to the lake. There is an association sanctioned launch for members only now. I think it costs 20 bucks to launch there, but again it is members only.

    As long as you mind your p’s & q’s once you are on the water, I am sure you will have no problems especially if you are a guest of a member.

  155. Jeremy said,

    April 2, 2009 at 12:29 am

    Scott –
    The bottom line is either the piece of property you’re looking at either has or doesn’t have lake rights. Your friend, who assumeably has lake rights, may or may not be your friend forever; and may or may not own their property forever. Their ownership and willingness to let you launch from their property is up to them and father time. I wouldnt buy a piece of vacation property attached to such uncontrolable uncertainties – personally.

    As for the air quality, yeah, people do burn. And what burns does burn out. I have no doubt the air in Galway, especially around the lake district and even on a burning day, is a hundred times more pure than what the city dwellers breathe on a daily basis. And I was and am a city dweller, and I think I’m OK.

  156. Scott said,

    April 2, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Thanks anon and Jeremy!

    It’s nice to know that the lake is somewhat protected. Hopefully it will never be spoiled by motors like many other local lakes. Perhaps I’ll see you out on the lake someday…

    - Scott

  157. anon. said,

    April 5, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Uncle Eddie the ice is off the lake. Probably went off yesterday with all the wind.

  158. Uncle Eddie said,

    April 9, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Thanks for the ice info, hope to be up there soon to start pulling some smallies and large mouth out of there. I heard the water level is still down a few feet.

  159. anon said,

    April 11, 2009 at 11:49 am

    The water level is down about 1.5 ft from full. This time last year the ice was just leaving. Saw a person in a kayak yesterday.

  160. paul zaj said,

    April 12, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    spent many a summer on and around the lake in the 50’s and 60’s, lakeview, rose garden, mathias’s, rossi’s were all wonderful places. am interested in returning to the area and would be interested in learning of any properties on the lake that come up for sale(in spite of “all the problems”)

  161. Anon said,

    April 13, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    paul–Refreshing to see all the old familliar places mentioned !You got them all except you missed just one, the pines. first stop lakeview, second rose garden, third the pines, if you made it that far. lol brings back a lot of memories. do you remember abby link, the drummer at the garden ? he was great.

  162. Anon said,

    April 13, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    paul– by the way, wish you luck finding a place to come back to !

  163. Mike said,

    April 17, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Paul theres a place for sale in Adabar Fink I went to try and look at (Drive by) but I’ll be darned if I could find it… The house has 5 acres with it and has Beach rights/Lake Rights/Pavillion Rights but is not on the lake.

    6078 Woodside Rd

    If you can find it you might get it cheap! :)

  164. Anon. said,

    May 5, 2009 at 7:37 am

    There is an informative article in the Gazette this morning about using carp to control weeds. Check it out.

  165. ML Rogers said,

    May 6, 2009 at 8:41 am

    Can anyone tell me where to obtain barrels or floats for a raft/floating dock extension?

  166. Anon. said,

    May 6, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    I don’t know anyone that has them to give away. Companies like this sell them:

    http://www.bayteccontainers.com/products.html?gclid=CLq83orCqJoCFRuU7QodCQ2y4Q

    Maybe try somewhere like Adirondack Beverage in Scotia or Pepsi Bottling in Latham. I have seen people using old kegs :)

    Good Luck.

  167. LI Joe said,

    May 7, 2009 at 9:09 am

    Hello,

    There is a property on Hermance st that is for sale. I live on Long Island and want to buy a summer home. Is that part of the Lake on the north a decent spot for a house? Or is it better to look on the south side. Thank you for answering in advance.

    Joe

  168. Anon. said,

    May 7, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    part of Hermance is near the Lake, part of it isn’t. There are 2 lakefront properties for sale on the South Side in Weiss Grove as well. Both are listed at 199k I believe. If you cannot find them post back and I will try and locate the listings if you are interested.

  169. Jeremy said,

    May 8, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Regarding the barrels -

    I contacted Adirondack beverage last year and told them I need 4 – 6 barrels for a dock, and would be happy to pay for them. My email was forwarded to the plant manager who said he would gladly fill my request when he had some extras to send my way. Never heard back, even after two follow-up emails. I did later find a company in the Port of Albany that sells the dock barrels, completely refurbished, for $20 ea. You can also find them at wantaddigest.com, or from time to time on craigslist. I do recommend the place in Albany though, as a refurbished barrel should mean a watertight barrel.

  170. Jeremy said,

    May 8, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    LI Joe –

    Location on the lake seems to be somewhat about topography, and topography is definitely best on the west / southwest sides of the lake. However, what really adds to the experience, is the particular grove you belong to, and they all have different dynamics – in example I see that Ruback’s Grove (which I do not belong to) has speed bumps and a speed limit of 10mph (awesome), their own private beach, and what looks to be a pavillion to use for parties by its members. Not all of the groves on the lake have these types of amenities to offer as of yet. All in all, the entire lake is a beautiful place to be. Find someone here to show you around for a weekend before just coming up and putting your money on anything available.

  171. Anon. said,

    May 8, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    As Jeremy said, Ruback’s is definitely the most friendly of the groves. There is much more of a sharing mentality there. I believe, but don’t quote me, that in Ruback’s the camps are individually owned but he property is leased. There are actually 2 beaches there, a pavilion where games and community events are held, a basketball court and volleyball court. Weiss Grove also has a field house for parties, volleyball, basketball, baseball field (cars parked near the field eliminate the ability to play a real game of baseball) etc. It has only been in the past 10-15 years or so that Weiss has become a year round grove. I do not believe Ruback’s has any year rounders so to speak. I am not sure Maywood does either but I don’t know. The North end of the lake seems to be to be made up more of year round residents.

    The atmosphere of the Lake in my opinion has changed drastically in the last 10-15 years or so. As property values increased steadily before the crunch, people poured more money into their properties. It used to be that Galway Lake was made up of “camps” and pretty much only that. Now it seems that number of “camps” is starting to dwindle in favor of “homes.” I don’t think the average person up there cares as much about Galway Lake as a resource for birding and observing wildlife, fishing and boating as they once did. The “water front property” mentality has taken over in my opinion.

    All in all it is a great resource for those allowed to use it. The thing I hear most from people that are not familiar with the lake when they do get to use it is usually “wow it is a lot bigger than I would have imagined.”

  172. LI Joe said,

    May 11, 2009 at 9:25 am

    Thanks so much for your responses. I love the Saratoga area, and found Galway Lake a few years ago. would like to purchase a small place lakefront. I will definately look into it more.

  173. ML Rogers said,

    May 13, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    In support of Maywood Grove, it enjoys a certain quiet from almost every one of its cabins being on the lake (i.e., few cabins behind cabins). There are a few year-rounders that give us a sense of peace when we’re not there in the winter.

    On the atmosphere of the lake, I too worry about more year-rounders than “campers.” (A recent request to tamp down the number of campfires bothered me.) But the lake is still quiet, filled with swimmers and kayaks, as well as the GLSC sailors.

  174. anom23 said,

    May 13, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    As a avid swimmer, fisherwoman, wife of a GL sailor, a biologist and also a “year rounder” I felt it was necessary to mention that we feel VERY strongly about preserving the lake and the above comments are a bit insulting. But that being said, the “year rounders” tend have newer homes, NEWER SEPTICS, and a lot more invested and therefore have greater concern over their homes then a “camper” with a run down camp and a leaky septic. The new year round homes also add value to your “camps” so lets try to be ALL galway lakers instead of one or the other.

  175. anon said,

    May 13, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    anon23, you have to remember that it is the “campers” with the “run down camps” that are responsible for the take over of the lake fom the 5 amsterdam mills, and are responsible for the clean, cared for lake you are now enjoying. for one thing, the lake used to be so full of weeds you couldn’t fish.you couldn’t get within 200 yards of the north shore because of the weeds on the surface. The “run down camp owners” have done a super job of handeling the lake.and by the way, my camp is not run down nor does the ceptic tank leak.

  176. Jeremy said,

    May 13, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    This discussion may be taking a turn for the worse – As just a “camp” owner (you’ll call it run down if its not up to your standards) who’s septic also does not leak -I will agree that we all must be here for the good of the lake. It is those of us who remain vigilant that will ultimately preserve its fate, good or bad. Of concern, however, is that of the 500+ camps on the lake, and the many issues we have faced in the last year, how many of them have posted the 175 messages on this blog we watch?

    I do hope that those coming into the lake community – new home or old camp – are made aware of the great responsibility in their hands. That responsibility to the Lake, and the rest of us.

  177. Jeremy said,

    May 13, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    And to concur with ML – Maywood is possibly the most peaceful place on earth. I am located there, and believe the topography is the best on the lake. My dock sits atop 12′ of water, and we remain entirely secluded on the waterfront. It is, of course, simply a matter of personal preference.

  178. S. Anon. said,

    May 14, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    anom23 I certainly did not mean to offend anyone, just a general observation that I have made based on a series of conversations and interactions I have had with several different property owners. You obviously don’t sound like one of the individuals I referenced. I am certainly thankful to anyone that cares enough about the lake to reply as you did.

    In response to your taking issue with my reference to “camps” you certainly don’t need to build a palace to have a modern and efficient structure. I recently stayed in a cabin in the Catskills that was recently constructed but you would have thought it was there for 100 years aesthetically speaking. It was smaller than most of the structures on the lake but had all the amenities and was a true “camp”. It was certainly a structure that most anyone would admire and it certainly would not detract from the close quartered atmosphere that is Galway Lake.

    Let’s talk about the roads for a minute in and out of the groves. I don’t know of any of the inner grove road systems that are built to handle being plowed and driven on in the winter months, or made to sustain the heavy construction traffic that I have personally seen do major damage to drainage and road design.

    As far as the newer structures driving up the values of the smaller “camps” is concerned I am sure there is some fact to that. However, as is the case with the current legal morass that we are all familiar with, the more construction, surveying, dividing etc. that takes place, the more legal issues that will take place. The publicized issues we all know about cannot be doing anything for the value of the lake.

    I have watched a deterioration of one of the groves (I will leave it nameless) over the last 25 years, and the way the occupants of that grove interact. My family has been on the lake for well over 60 years and from hearing stories and seeing photos (I am fortunate enough to have a series of postcards from the early 1900’s that are actually real photos of scenes around the lake) of Galway Lake back then (& earlier even) it started as a place for hard working families (many from Schenectady in its prime) to get away from the city. Even growing up in the eighties I remember it as being a place to “get away” and it felt a little like camping.

    I admire some of the newer structures greatly and appreciate some of the architecture as much as the next person but can you imagine if everyone of the 500+ buildings gets replaced with some of the year round homes that have been constructed. People without lakefront homes will start feeling as if they are not even near a lake. I simply do not believe that Galway Lake as I have known it is big enough to support 550 full sized 2+ story homes.To play devil’s advocate I cannot in good conscience say to someone they don’t have a right to update their property. I guess I just think there has to be a compromise. Hopefully my family will be updating in the not too distant future.

    The whole entire point to my original post was that Galway Lake in my parents and grandparents generation was not a place to worry about your “home value” it was about getting away, doing some fishing and relaxing. I suppose I am being more nostalgic than anything but I feel there are some real issues here.

    Galway Lake is not Saratoga Lake and it is certainly not Lake George. Galway Lake used to be a place that a hard working person could strive to have a place on. I hate to see it in my lifetime become a place only millionaires can take part in.

    To Jeremy and ML, I have spent some time in Maywood (had friends there in the past) and it definitely always seemed to me to have a great secluded atmosphere. I especially like the area near the dam.

  179. anom23 said,

    May 15, 2009 at 8:42 am

    I am not suggesting all camps are not maintained, however many are not and neither are the septics (nor are they reading this blog, most likely). That was my only point, sorry for the confusion. Nor do i wish the entire lake be developed, as a 3rd generation galway native, I certainly enjoy the solitude of this beautiful place, or i would not have built here despite my long commute to work everyday (i am not a millionaire unfortunately). I am only suggesting that maybe we should not waste our time putting each other into “categories” by who’s family has been here longer and what grove is best and what the lake was or was not 50yrs ago – but lets use this to make suggestions and work together on real issues. I for example would like to use my biology background and resources to research the use of carp for weed control. Speaking of biology, are any members of the lake preservation committee biologists? Don’t you think there should be? I have offered to volunteer before, i will try again. How about we talk about the fact that we should use the website to vote on GL spending and other issues? I for one think we should have more input on lake spending. Was the survey really worth spending all that money and look what it has done? I want to know how much these new weed control methods cost and what research was done before we spent all of this money, OUR money. What are we going to do about the growing geese problem? What is the process of electing the board members and how long is the term? Can we vote via the web on this too? To all my fellow fishermen and women out there – how about those pickerel? ugh! Are we stocking more walleye? How about those sailors? How can we get more young people involved in sailing? Anyway – these are just some thoughts. Really not trying to offend anyone, just think we can make better use of our time.

  180. S. anon said,

    May 15, 2009 at 9:26 am

    Anom23 I think we are certainly in agreement more than we are not. I have been the one in the above posts complaining of the rampant pickerel and I mentioned above about the article that appeared in the Gazette about using carp as weed control. I have been mentioning this for years unfortunately not to the right people. I posted a comment about the Gazette article on the Associations website after they announced the barley straw test. Not sure if anyone is reading that.

    Obviously your position as a biologist certainly would make you more qualified to speak on the carp issue than me but I don’t really see a downside to trying it. Yes carp get big (which is good if they are getting fat on weeds :) ) and they are ugly (to some) and don’t offer much of a tempting meal (for most people, in Asia a delicacy) but I don’t believe that they would out compete any other species (save for maybe bullhead). They would be relatively expensive to introduce into a 500+ acre lake but I would assume (and anom you could probably answer this) they would reproduce. Another assumption is that the carp would be a long term solution and not a results quick band aid style fix. This is probably why the association has not attempted it. That or no one has produced a viable, workable blueprint for instituting it.

    I certainly apologize for stereotyping anyone and or insulting anyone. I would love to see more comments on the biological issues at the lake.

  181. anon23 said,

    May 15, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Grass carp, like most fishes, are diploid. They possess two sets of chromosomes (one from each parent) and are capable of sexual reproduction. Triploid fish, however, have three sets of chromosomes and are incapable of normal sexual reproduction and the production of viable offspring. The use of triploid grass carp would severely limit the likelihood and magnitude of any negative impacts, but still allow benefits of its use, that is, long-term, low-cost plant control and the production of harvestable fish (Sutton 1965, Sutton and Vandiver 1986).

    http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/aquaculture/triploid.htm#Grass

  182. S anon. said,

    May 15, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Galway Lake is approximately 220 hectares. The cited article recommends 25-60 fish per hectare (the common amount). So roughly 5k-13k fish.

    The gazette article mentions 8-15 bucks a fish. found here:

    http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/may/05/0505_carpweed/

    That would be QUITE expensive. Would be nice if it could be tested in a small spot first but I don’t know how this would be done.

    Thanks for the article.

  183. Jeremy said,

    May 15, 2009 at 10:55 am

    My understanding in reading the Gazette article was that only the triploid grass carp were allowed to be introduced in NYS as the diploid variety are more invasive. At $8 to $15per fish, it would seem extremely expensive to introduce them into the lake, as well as maintain their levels. At any rate, if anyone missed the article here’s a link – It is quite interesting.

    http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2009/may/05/0505_carpweed/

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